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Aussiemike said:
I watch a lot of hunting shows made in NewZealand and a lot of guys wear these 100% wool and look cool I mean warm and comfy but not cheap but would last a lifetime I reckon.
https://nznaturalclothingshop.co.nz...bM6LPaIuzV7wgecJfhJ7DxPEF_VlDPaRoCpIUQAvD_BwE
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I've seen those somewhere, but I can't put a finger on where. I don't dig deep into bushcraft or militaria, but because surplus has always interesting to me, I run into oddities by chance all the time. Aren't they called a cagoule? Patagonia had them in the 80s that I've seen in collectable blogs, both of early rain fabric and then another in their early fleece synchilla fabric. The Swedes also had some version of it in the winter military gear? I get the utility of it, but it also looks like sleepwear.
 
Zeno Marx said:
I've seen those somewhere, but I can't put a finger on where. I don't dig deep into bushcraft or militaria, but because surplus has always interesting to me, I run into oddities by chance all the time. Aren't they called a cagoule? Patagonia had them in the 80s that I've seen in collectable blogs, both of early rain fabric and then another in their early fleece synchilla fabric. The Swedes also had some version of it in the winter military gear? I get the utility of it, but it also looks like sleepwear.
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I had to look it up Zeno
What's the difference between a cagoule and an anorak?
A cagoule is the British English term for a lightweight, weatherproof anorak or parka, usually unlined and sometimes knee-length. A cagoule could be rolled up into a very compact package and carried in a bag or pocket.
noun
British
a lightweight, hooded, thigh-length waterproof jacket.

It reminded me of a site I subscribe to, A business started up by 2 brits xSBS special boat service. They support veterans and I saw this cagoule on their site last week $1200AU 🤑
Really 1st rate top notch kit but 💰💲💲

https://www.thrudark.com/en-au/products/scout-smock-jacket-obsidian-black

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Sub note edit. This gear is made of the same stuff as tier1/special forces would be familiar with from what I have seen. I am thinking the market is for them and maybe other people that have a camo hat with national flag morale patch that may want to feel what good kit is like? or people that just like quality kit that is getting very rare these days?
Me I am rich, I can buy anything and whatever takes my fancy from Kmart.:(:ROFLMAO:
I hope I am still on topic peter not surplus but kinda.
 
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Aussiemike said:
https://www.thrudark.com/en-au/products/scout-smock-jacket-obsidian-black

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Sub note edit. This gear is made of the same stuff as tier1/special forces would be familiar with from what I have seen. I am thinking the market is for them and maybe other people that have a camo hat with national flag morale patch that may want to feel what good kit is like? or people that just like quality kit that is getting very rare these days?
Me I am rich, I can buy anything and whatever takes my fancy from Kmart.:(:ROFLMAO:
I hope I am still on topic peter not surplus but kinda.
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https://www.eventfabrics.com/products/outerwear#bio

at first, I thought eVent was another term for ventile, which is great stuff, military related, and notoriously expensive. It is not. Looks like another goretex alternative. The prices on this stuff are simply absurd. Another example is the very cool, marketed to the new school of offgridders and hunters, Fjallraven Anorak No 8 M (how's that for militaria mind manipulaton of a name?). This anorak is right in my wheelhouse, but again, I'm NOT paying $500, no matter how much I like the garment and the company's ethics.

https://www.fjallraven.com/us/en-us...d2d-a110-e8143f6ca828&v=F83242::7392158941179
 
Zeno Marx said:
https://www.eventfabrics.com/products/outerwear#bio

at first, I thought eVent was another term for ventile, which is great stuff, military related, and notoriously expensive. It is not. Looks like another goretex alternative. The prices on this stuff are simply absurd. Another example is the very cool, marketed to the new school of offgridders and hunters, Fjallraven Anorak No 8 M (how's that for militaria mind manipulaton of a name?). This anorak is right in my wheelhouse, but again, I'm NOT paying $500, no matter how much I like the garment and the company's ethics.

https://www.fjallraven.com/us/en-us/men/jackets/trekking-jackets/anorak-no-8-m/?_t_q=&_t_hit.id=Luminos_Storefront_Web_Features_Catalog_Product_Domain_CommonProduct/CatalogContent_f977bb93-d7d8-487c-9688-6f7414d12ce7_en-US&_t_hit.pos=1&_t_tags=andquerymatch,language:en,siteid:162d49d9-f0ac-4d2d-a110-e8143f6ca828&v=F83242::7392158941179
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It seems the G-1000 fabric uses a wax of theirs for refreshing the water resistance. Could what is old be new again, i.e , a waxed garment... I have an xBay sourced Filson tin cloth loggers coat and hat that uses their wax.
https://www.fjallraven.com/us/en-us...oducts/greenland-wax/?v=F79060::7392158015450
 
That Fjallraven wax isn't too terribly priced. Some of them can get ridiculous (big surprise, huh?) with their pricing. You can also make it. There are many recipes, but I happen to have this one bookmarked. Never tried it myself. I'm guessing a hairdryer is a must, but I always use one when I'm even waterproofing boots/leather.

https://www.shelbyoutdoor.com/?cPath=405_434_515&language=en
 
Swede said:
Here's a picture of the Swedish pack.
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I love those old surplus rucksacks. They're all similar in basic configuration, but with small tweaks here and there. A couple years ago, I looked to get a backup for mine, but they were no longer cheap. I have a real problem wanting backups to my favorite pieces of clothing, gear, etc. My old rucksack looks like the day it was bought for nothing, but I want a backup in case I wear it out. So silly, because I'm never going to wear it out unless I slip and it flies off my back and into a wood chipper.

I'd love to see more pictures of that ruck, and if anyone else has photos of theirs, I'm interested in those as well. I remember those being one of the items in surplus stores sitting in giant boxes on the floor for less than $10.
 
Zeno Marx said:
I love those old surplus rucksacks. They're all similar in basic configuration, but with small tweaks here and there. A couple years ago, I looked to get a backup for mine, but they were no longer cheap. I have a real problem wanting backups to my favorite pieces of clothing, gear, etc. My old rucksack looks like the day it was bought for nothing, but I want a backup in case I wear it out. So silly, because I'm never going to wear it out unless I slip and it flies off my back and into a wood chipper.

I'd love to see more pictures of that ruck, and if anyone else has photos of theirs, I'm interested in those as well. I remember those being one of the items in surplus stores sitting in giant boxes on the floor for less than $10.
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@Zeno Marx here are some more pictures, and it is about 21-22 inches tall. To me, the suspension is sturdy. I once went pretty far down a hill to a spring creek to find some unique rocks with areas the water had carved out, and this pack held them and was stable as I climbed out up the trail. I may have given $35, but memory is foggy on that. It's some of the toughest canvas I've ever seen. There is some writing on the leather where the straps join in the first picture. A quick image search brings up results some of which date a pack like this to 1959.
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Posted this previously in another thread. Firing pin from Ordnance QF-6PDR-MK1, serial 4056-1. My grandfather, father's side, was in the first artillery unit to test these cannons in North Africa, June 1941. He salvaged it and mailed it home as an ashtray. Since this image was taken, my brother and I cleaned up the piece, I will post fresh images of it soon.

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Singed said:
Posted this previously in another thread. Firing pin from Ordnance QF-6PDR-MK1, serial 4056-1. My grandfather, father's side, was in the first artillery unit to test these cannons in North Africa, June 1941. He salvaged it and mailed it home as an ashtray. Since this image was taken, my brother and I cleaned up the piece, I will post fresh images of it soon.

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That is really,really cool Singed!!! I metal detect and myself and buds have found some great trench art,nothing like that though. I am so jealous (y)(y)
 
1940s to 1960s Military police batton.
Dad was a sailor and wouldn't tell me the whole truth of how he acquired it. After hearing the stolen rickshaw story in singapore and many others I can't mention in this time slot :ROFLMAO: There may or may not have been a comment from the MPs, navy hey "isn't that where they sew tits on ya back and teach you to walk backwards"
Now Dad is not a fighter or drinker so mmmm
It has been used by him and myself as a fish donger for probably 50years and reckon it has seen less fish than what its actual original use was for :LOL::ROFLMAO:
I must hit it up with some linseed oil or something soon but it now lives on top of my fridge.(y)


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Swede said:
@Zeno Marx here are some more pictures, and it is about 21-22 inches tall. To me, the suspension is sturdy. I once went pretty far down a hill to a spring creek to find some unique rocks with areas the water had carved out, and this pack held them and was stable as I climbed out up the trail. I may have given $35, but memory is foggy on that. It's some of the toughest canvas I've ever seen. There is some writing on the leather where the straps join in the first picture. A quick image search brings up results some of which date a pack like this to 1959.
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Thanks for the extra pictures. That's such a cool pack. The history of that fabric is interesting (made from flax and nettle).* I have a question: is that pack loud? With all the clips and metal-on-metal pivot points, is it noisy? The Swiss didn't seem to prioritize noise with their stuff. I have an M70 jacket,** which is unique in design, and while I like it, there's two notable things about it: 1) the snaps are LOUD and clang/cling/rattle as you walk 2) the cotton is thick and robust, but it would take days for it to dry out once wet.

While I'm just going to use all this stuff to hike in the woods, and fascinate on like toys, I don't appreciate hearing clothing/gear noise over the natural sounds and peaceful vibes of the outdoors. For me, it is a significant distraction that is not welcome in the experience. It's also a problem with some of the new snowshoe designs. Sure, they're very light and smart, but they're also LOUD...so loud that they drown out the winds and calm of snowshoeing/backpacking in the winter. It's really not that different than the cacophony of the big city. It has a time and place, and in backcountry, it ain't it.

*"Stinging nettle is a very high performance fibre with immense breaking strain beyond that of carbon fibre. The Flax provides waterproofing and suppleness to the material. Together they present a speckled appearance known as ‘salt and pepper’ or ‘salz & pfeffer’."

** http://sharky-fourbees.blogspot.com/2011/07/m-70-swiss-alpenflage-jacket-backpacks.html
 
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Zeno Marx said:
I have a dream...with a 99.5% likeliness that it will remain a dream...of having this (now) very expensive British anorak being patterned and made out of old military blankets. I'd have to find a seamstress who is keen on making patterns without disassembling the garment (who wouldn't charge an arm and a leg). I've called around to the wool mills (a couple years ago now) to get the super heavyweight fabric, and 1) it is no longer made by any of them that I can find and 2) the heaviest I can find, from a couple different mills (Pendleton is one), are blends with nylon and cost a ridiculous amount to buy by the yard. Nobody makes 100% super heavyweight wool fabric anymore. My memory is a little hazy, but I think I could only find 24oz or 26oz. The old stuff I had in mind was closer to 30oz. If I'm going to settle for a blend, I'm not paying exorbitant rates, so I figure why not a couple military blankets for the material? I know some of them weren't made to be washed, but I did find some that were OK with being washed.

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Long shot option for you, and I hope you like tartan, because the one industry that still does use super heavy weight wool are traditional Scottish kilt makers.
 
Zeno Marx said:
Thanks for the extra pictures. That's such a cool pack. The history of that fabric is interesting (made from flax and nettle).* I have a question: is that pack loud? With all the clips and metal-on-metal pivot points, is it noisy? The Swiss didn't seem to prioritize noise with their stuff. I have an M70 jacket,** which is unique in design, and while I like it, there's two notable things about it: 1) the snaps are LOUD and clang/cling/rattle as you walk 2) the cotton is thick and robust, but it would take days for it to dry out once wet.

While I'm just going to use all this stuff to hike in the woods, and fascinate on like toys, I don't appreciate hearing clothing/gear noise over the natural sounds and peaceful vibes of the outdoors. For me, it is a significant distraction that is not welcome in the experience. It's also a problem with some of the new snowshoe designs. Sure, they're very light and smart, but they're also LOUD...so loud that they drown out the winds and calm of snowshoeing/backpacking in the winter. It's really not that different than the cacophony of the big city. It has a time and place, and in backcountry, it ain't it.

*"Stinging nettle is a very high performance fibre with immense breaking strain beyond that of carbon fibre. The Flax provides waterproofing and suppleness to the material. Together they present a speckled appearance known as ‘salt and pepper’ or ‘salz & pfeffer’."

** http://sharky-fourbees.blogspot.com/2011/07/m-70-swiss-alpenflage-jacket-backpacks.html
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@Zeno Marx the hardware does make noise when putting on and taking off the pack. When wearing it, noise shouldn’t occur unless some slack gets in the straps. Thanks for the information about the fabric, it's fascinating and nettle is a new one to me (also the plant has food uses). Here's an interesting link on the pack that has that same information on the fabric that you quoted, but more on the construction and history. I'm a little embarrassed that I haven't taken better care of the leather. I'll put Obenauf's on it this weekend.

https://wynnchester.com/blogs/wynnc...9bb0jgtNIzOVA8pQM3kEGxQZg7O1NOsm49VqMI6_-FaQg
 
Not surplus but though I would share the pack I just ordered $26AU-$18USD. It will double as a pack for flicking lures and plastics down at the mud flats at low tide. And I reckon it will be very handy for carrying my little badger or other take down guns, hiking and hunting day pack with the outside bottom and side pouch that should fit gun butstocks(y)


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