No Bite Marks

[SpeedyPete]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131114756692?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_391wt_1314

I bought this pipe and it arrived today.  You will clearly see it says: "No bite marks".  Could not see any in the photos.

Now, there is one bloody BIG HOLE on the underside of the stem!  Right through, my brothers !  On the top another tooth mark, almost through. I can't smoke it like this.  No refund on this one.

OK, I only paid $33 but still.  I've refered the case to eBay and asked for a $10,00 refund.  Will see what happens.

Now, some brother offered to repair one of  my Savinellis which I bought, knowing there was one toothmark.  But when I received the pipe, I was happy to leave it like that.

Now I can't find the message from said brother

Oh, otherwise the pipe is in EXCELLENT condition and that's why I will spend money to have it fixed.

Waiting to hear from   :?: 
.

 

[BigCasino]

They definitely should not have advertised that as no teeth marks, I would contact them and tell them you want to return it, and if they don't take it back then open a case with ebay, ebay should refund your money, the seller may have been listing more than one pipe and used the "list more like this one" and forgot to change that part of the listing, either way it was definitely wrong, not trying to bust on you, but the one picture you can see a small hole it isn't highly visible, but it may be hard to see if you are to stubborn for glasses  :lol: 

 

[Northern Neil]

Well, that is a tricky one. I am able to see the hole in one of the pictures (pretty easy since I was looking for it), but the seller sold it as not having any teeth marks. I does not look like they were trying to hide the hole, but as big casino said, maybe just made a mistake in the listing. It might be worth contacting the seller nonetheless, to let them know what's going on.

 

[riff raff]

That description is definitely wrong, but I can easily see the hole in the stem from this photo.  
You might be able to fill that hole, or worst case scenario, but it off and reshape the button.

I have to caution myself not to hit the bid/buy button using my phone app, those pix are just too small for my old eyes.

 

[RDPipes]

By the looks of Riffs photo there I'd send it back too.
Not only for the hole but someone not being careful has buffed the edge of the stem where it meets the shank so it doesn't even match the shank anymore. eBay will make the seller take it back because of false statements in the description. Yeah, there's no teeth dents but, one hell of a hole from teeth, that's just deceiving. :suspect: 

 

[KevinM]

I own a few pipes -- 40, 50 years old, or thereabouts -- that have bitten through scars near the bits. I decided I wanted to keep them original, and my inexpensive though satisfactory fix is the two for a dollar rubber pipe bit. I'm not much of a clencher, so this fix works fine for me.

I had a pipe mentor who was of the firm opinion that such scars were best viewed as inevitable burnishing that comes with satisfactory use. He thought preoccupation with small problems wasted mental energy. He smoked his E. Wilke, NYC briar warriors proudly. A co-worker once chided him because his 10-year-old car, parked in the reserved-for-execs lot, was rusted around the wheel wells and could have a disadvantageous effect on the company's stock. "I think of it as an exquisite filigree,"my friend replied drily. In all consumer transactions he believed in buying quality -- though certainly not ostentation -- and getting the full measure of use out of his purchase.

 

[RDPipes]

I own a few pipes -- 40, 50 years old, or thereabouts -- that have bitten through scars near the bits. I decided I wanted to keep them original, and my inexpensive though satisfactory fix is the two for a dollar rubber pipe bit. I'm not much of a clencher, so this fix works fine for me.

I had a pipe mentor who was of the firm opinion that such scars were best viewed as inevitable burnishing that comes with satisfactory use.  He thought preoccupation with small problems wasted mental energy. He smoked his E. Wilke, NYC briar warriors proudly. A co-worker once chided him because his 10-year-old car, parked in the reserved-for-execs lot, was rusted around the wheel wells and could have a disadvantageous effect on the company's stock. "I think of it as an exquisite filigree,"my friend replied drily. In all consumer transactions he believed in buying quality -- though certainly not ostentation -- and getting the full measure of use out of his purchase.

I surely don't want to pay for a vehicle that has holes in the floor board no matter how prestigious it is. Nor do I want to pay $33 plus $12 shipping for a $10 pipe (and that's being generous to say the least) with a hole in the bit and a misshaped stem.

 

[KevinM]

Well, of course you wouldn't. Sounds like this poster had a bad ebay experience, not just a bit-through bit. I was speaking more to the point, "How concerned should a piper be when his briars show some age?" I don't mind pipes that look a bit "distressed," probably because my mentors set that example. The opinions of other pipers may vary. But it's a big tent.

 

[SpeedyPete]

I own a few pipes -- 40, 50 years old, or thereabouts -- that have bitten through scars near the bits. I decided I wanted to keep them original, and my inexpensive though satisfactory fix is the two for a dollar rubber pipe bit. I'm not much of a clencher, so this fix works fine for me.

The seller sent me a rubber mouthpiece (free of charge, mind you!) with the pipe. I tried it but it felt like sucking on a dummy.

He has now agreed to refund me $10 with which I'm happy. It is a very nice pipe indeed and I'm going to keep it and have the stem fixed.

Unfortunately my pc can't show java script photos and I relied on the seller description and the one photo which I could see. Lesson learned!

 

[riff raff]

Been there, sounds like a good outcome.

Moving forward, with the few Ebay listings I do, I think that I will just let the pictures do the talking to avoid a dissatisfied buyer.

 

[KevinM]

Sine the jury is split on the rubber bit protectors, here's another old DIY fix that might / might not work for you --1/2" electrical heat wrap tubing. It isn't as thick as the rubber bit, so it might be less bothersome to some pipers. Just cut off a half inch or so, apply, heat.

 

[SpeedyPete]

I had a look at advice given by numerous brothers about fixing a stem and then decided to tackle the problem my self.

I'm happy to say that I've got one excellent pipe now with the hole fixed in such a way that no one will notice it. It's nice and smooth and my dear wife could not believe what I've done  

I thank you brothers, for sharing your experience here  :cheers: 

It's obvious that the seller has no experience about pipes. The cake was removed completely while the shank was left untouched. I've now cleaned the pipe properly and started building fresh cake. Once that is in place, I will have one super pipe, I know.

With the $10 refund, I can buy another tin of tobacco.

I'm happy  :bounce: 

 

[Zeno Marx]

PayPal/eBay would have given you a full refund if you'd filed a claim.  It's all set up against sellers, and in this case, I would say it perfectly fair for PayPal to issue you a full refund.  I'm guessing you'd be on the hook for return postage, though.  Don't be afraid to file a claim.  You aren't being a bad person if the photos and/or the description is inaccurate or misleading.  It's part of doing business online.  As a seller, be thorough and detailed or expect to deal with unsatisfied customers and returns.  It's also why I always pay people with my credit card through PayPal.  If PayPal gives you a hassle, which they almost never do to buyers, then ask the credit card company to get involved.

 

[riff raff]

Wow, that can be a tough repair - lets see the fix! (and an excellent outcome overall)

 

[SpeedyPete]

Wow, that can be a tough repair - lets see the fix! (and an excellent outcome overall)

I'm not a photographer at all but I will try my best!

 

[SpeedyPete]

This deal turned out quite nicely for me!

The pipe smokes like a dream
I was refunded $10.00 by the seller
I was refunded $45.00 by eBay (total amount, shipping included)

But, I don't want it like that. I don't know how to go about to give this guy his money to which he is entitled. I've sent him as well as eBay a message in this regard. No respons so far.

Of one thing I'm convinced now; eBay takes no nonsense from a seller. This is the 3rd time I've had problems and they just refund your money and that's it   

 

[RDPipes]

This deal turned out quite nicely for me!

The pipe smokes like a dream
I was refunded $10.00 by the seller
I was refunded $45.00 by eBay (total amount, shipping included)

But, I don't want it like that.  I don't know how to go about to give this guy his money to which he is entitled. I've sent him as well as eBay a message in this regard. No respons so far.

Of one thing I'm convinced now; eBay takes no nonsense from a seller.  This is the 3rd time I've had problems and they just refund your money and that's it   

Pete, I find no reason to give the seller anything back, he deceived you into believing
there was no damage to the stem. He gets what he deserves and hopefully has learn something from this experience. Cheaters never prosper, not long anyway. I say leave it alone or he'll think he can keep doing this sort of thing to everyone without loss.

 

[SpeedyPete]

This deal turned out quite nicely for me!

The pipe smokes like a dream
I was refunded $10.00 by the seller
I was refunded $45.00 by eBay (total amount, shipping included)

But, I don't want it like that.  I don't know how to go about to give this guy his money to which he is entitled. I've sent him as well as eBay a message in this regard. No respons so far.

Of one thing I'm convinced now; eBay takes no nonsense from a seller.  This is the 3rd time I've had problems and they just refund your money and that's it   

Pete, I find no reason to give the seller anything back, he deceived you into believing
there was no damage to the stem. He gets what he deserves and hopefully has learn something from this experience. Cheaters never prosper, not long anyway. I say leave it alone or he'll think he can keep doing this sort of thing to everyone without loss.

OK, I will just let the matter rest now    I felt a bit bad about it but yes, you are right, the seller did me wrong. I can always say I received some legal advice from higher up  :twisted: 

 

[RDPipes]

This deal turned out quite nicely for me!

The pipe smokes like a dream
I was refunded $10.00 by the seller
I was refunded $45.00 by eBay (total amount, shipping included)

But, I don't want it like that.  I don't know how to go about to give this guy his money to which he is entitled. I've sent him as well as eBay a message in this regard. No respons so far.

Of one thing I'm convinced now; eBay takes no nonsense from a seller.  This is the 3rd time I've had problems and they just refund your money and that's it   

Pete, I find no reason to give the seller anything back, he deceived you into believing
there was no damage to the stem. He gets what he deserves and hopefully has learn something from this experience. Cheaters never prosper, not long anyway. I say leave it alone or he'll think he can keep doing this sort of thing to everyone without loss.

OK, I will just let the matter rest now     I felt a bit bad about it but yes, you are right, the seller did me wrong.  I can always say I received some legal advice from higher up  :twisted: 

Yeah, Attorney at Flaw R.D.Powell Esq.