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SpeedyPete

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Can the brothers please tell me why some pipes are called "root briar" pipes?

My understanding is that all pipes are made from the ROOT of the "briar tree" (Erica arborea).

Are root briar pipes different from "ordinary" pipes?

I've been smoking and collecting pipes for many years yet this is something I do not understand.

I know some of the brothers (if not all) will know the answer to my maybe stupid question. :oops:
 
Shell Briar -- a Dunhill rusticated and dark finish for certain lines of their pipes.

Root Briar -- a Dunhill smooth, lighter-colored finish for certain lines of their pipes.

Some true geek might be able to chime in with what years and what lines these were made. Basically, it's a Dunhill term to my knowledge: just a name for the look. Briar burls are all made from the root system of the heath shrub/tree, which is unearthed (usually to the shrub's demise), cut into chunks, dried, and eventually becomes a pipe (or trash, depending on quality).

While we're at it, notes worth reaeding on so-called "dead root briar" (as it is possibly claimed by some)...:

GL Pease once":nrfjqjwp said:
Dead Root briar is a subject that has been beaten, if you’ll pardon me, to death. Some insist the legends are true, while others (especially briar cutters, who really ought to know, and many pipe makers who laugh when they hear the term) tell me that once the shrub dies, the burls are almost instantly attacked by decomposers (molds and fungi, beetles, bacteria), and within a very short period, are rendered unsuitable for pipe making. In fact, at least today, they don’t even harvest these because of the considerable effort involved, and the low probability of any useable wood being found within them.

The term most likely found its way into use in the early part of the Twentieth Century through the marketing genius of Alfred Dunhill when he sought a way to differentiate exceptionally grained pipes from the rest. At the time, grain was not as highly valued as it is today, so making this distinction allowed him to sell these pipes for premium prices. The term stuck, and the legend has been promulgated by a few others since to differentiate their best pipes from the run of the mill.

The one thing we can be sure of is that by the time a block of wood is crafted into a pipe, it is most certainly and surely dead; in effect, all pipes are made from dead root.

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There are a great many myths present in the lore of pipe smoking, including the smoking characteristics of briar of different provenance, the magical qualities of the rare (in fact, non-existent) "Dead Root" briar, the effects of arcane incantations over the wood by some makers, and so on. But, that lore, those myths are part of the romance, and romance, at least to me, is a very important part of the overall experience.

Myth or Fact is of little import, really. What matters is that we enjoy what we smoke, and smoke what we enjoy. If it gives a fellow pleasure to imagine the burl from which is pipe was made struggling in the hot Algerian sun for centuries before finally being captured, and brought to life in the form of the pipe, then so be it.
http://pipedia.org/index.php?title=Dunhill

http://www.pipephil.eu/logos/en/dunhill/patent1.html
 
That's one of Dunhill's B.S. misnomers.

The briar root isn't used at all. What's harvested & turned into pipe stummels is the burl between the roots and the trunk of the shrub.

:face:
 
While we're at it, we might as well cover another point involved.

The center of the burl is a stinky mess of sappy pulp. (So much for "the very heart of the root"). Around that is (French) "ebachon" briar -- decent enough from a functional perspective, but lacking in figuration. The periphery of the bole is (French again) the "plaueau." That's where the pretty "grain" is.

FWIW

:face:
 
I'm actually talking about a Savinelli Capri Root Briar and a Brebbia Root Briar. Did they copy Dunhill?
 
Yak":gtfupbn6 said:
While we're at it, we might as well cover another point involved.

The center of the burl is a stinky mess of sappy pulp. (So much for "the very heart of the root"). Around that is (French) "ebachon" briar -- decent enough from a functional perspective, but lacking in figuration. The periphery of the bole is (French again) the "plaueau." That's where the pretty "grain" is.

FWIW

:face:
Yep, the briar is moisture storage for the heath tree in dry times. Good point, Yak. I had a link to a great picture of a heath briar burl cross-section, but I can't find it. All of the grain of our pipes radiates out in a "fan" in various configurations, the older the briar burl, the tighter and larger (and more consistent) the pattern.

I always liked this picture of Radice and a neat chunk of raw briar...

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Savinelli and others might be copying Dunhill terms somehow, but "root briar" doesn't really mean anything, is what we're trying to say. 8) It's just a name, or a finish it doesn't point at any special kind of briar.
 
Dunhill, according to rumor quit oil curing there pipes in the mid 60s. Most of the Sav Capris and brebbia rootbriars where made in the late 60s to early 70s. You can email brebbia, as I have and they are very helpful in answering questions about your pipe.

What's Dead Root????
 
Your answer's in the first quote Kyle posted.

They can call it "root" if they figure that will push a sales button.

The effect of oil curing (according to people doing it) disappears after the first dozen or so smokes. It just (supposedly) makes these nicer-tasting.

:face:
 
OK, so my oil cured Savinelli Capri Root Briar is just an ordinary pipe!! But, never mind, it smokes like a pipe, fit for a king :bounce:

I thank you brothers for solving this "problem" for me. I love you all.
 
It's a shame you can't buy live root briar. With a little patience and sunshine, maybe a little Miracle-Gro (the secret flavouring in Royal Yacht, I'm told,) your Group 2 pot would grow over the years into a Group 5 stack.
 
Doc Manhattan":gtngidgo said:
It's a shame you can't buy live root briar. With a little patience and sunshine, maybe a little Miracle-Gro (the secret flavouring in Royal Yacht, I'm told,) your Group 2 pot would grow over the years into a Group 5 stack.
Ipso facto.

Also, straightens grain and maintains cake. :lol:

8)
 
I think he was referring to the actual stump of briar. The dead one. :lol:
 
"I think he was referring to the actual stump of briar. The dead one. :lol:

Do a bit of research and you will see that Dunhill at one time marked certain pipes DR. I will leave that up to you to find out as your the clever one.
 
Yak":cee3ie0b said:
While we're at it, we might as well cover another point involved.

The center of the burl is a stinky mess of sappy pulp. (So much for "the very heart of the root"). Around that is (French) "ebachon" briar -- decent enough from a functional perspective, but lacking in figuration. The periphery of the bole is (French again) the "plaueau." That's where the pretty "grain" is.

FWIW

:face:
You're right about the "heart of the root", Yak, but the plateaux and ebauchon are not two different layers in a burl.

What happens is: The cutter tries to cut as many plateaux blocks out of a burl as he can (they bring the most money). As he cuts the plateaux blocks, the pieces that are left become too small for a plateaux piece so they are turned sideways and cut into ebauchon. All of the wood that is good for making pipes come from the outside of the burl. I've used many pieces of ebauchon that had bark on them, and I've used many ebauchon blocks that had fantastic grain. It just goes sideways instead of up and down. :)

Rad
 
Rad Davis":ceefcw76 said:
I've used many ebauchon blocks that had fantastic grain. It just goes sideways instead of up and down. :)
Good for blowfish pipes? *shrug*
 
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