Ashton experts please help.

[tarheel7734]

I am wondering what the finish differences are between the Pebble Grain and Ashton Brindle. I know the stain is different but how so?

 

[Sasquatch]

Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).

 

[tarheel7734]

Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).  

Not true. Some Pebble grain have Cumberland stems and some brindle have other color stems. There is a stain difference. Bill Taylor lost the Brindle stain recipe for 5 years. The stem is not what Differentiates these.

 

[Sasquatch]

Well... okay. You already knew.

It's just that, every picture I can find of an Ashton marked as "Brindle" has a cumberland or similar stem.

As per: http://www.pipes.org/BURST/FORMATTED/187.025.html

"The Pebble Grain is a sandblasted finish that is usually stained
black with deep red highlights, although some are brown stained.
The Brindle finish is a dark brown stained sandblast that is matched
with a brown colored vulcanite mouthpiece."


So I would suggest that a brown stained blast without a brindle stem is in fact not a "Brindle".

If you need a color match, I'd suggest Feibing's "Chocolate"

 

[riff raff]

That's a good question, I think more to do with the briar than the stem.

Brindle stamped pipes always have Cumberland stems.

Pebble Grain pipes can have an Ashtonite or Cumberland stem.

I've never encountered a reference as to the finish of the Brindle pipes.  Are they strictly blasted pipe or a Pebble Grain?

Edit: I was thinking about the Pebble Shell, which uses a two step blasting process. I think the reference Sas lists earlier answers the original question.

 

[SpeedyPete]

Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).  

Not true. Some Pebble grain have Cumberland stems and some brindle have other color stems. There is a stain difference. Bill Taylor lost the Brindle stain recipe for 5 years. The stem is not what Differentiates these.

WOW!! You've gained a lot of knowledge in a mere 3 months :cheers:

I've been smoking the pipe for 45 years and I don't know half as much as you do. Well done !!

 

[tarheel7734]

Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).  

Not true. Some Pebble grain have Cumberland stems and some brindle have other color stems. There is a stain difference. Bill Taylor lost the Brindle stain recipe for 5 years. The stem is not what Differentiates these.

WOW!!  You've gained a lot of knowledge in a mere 3 months :cheers:

I've been smoking the pipe for 45 years and I don't know half as much as you do. Well done !!

I have been smoking a pipe since 1998, just had a break in 2010. I have done q lot of research over the years on Brittish pipe makers, but could not find the stain difference in writing.

 

[riff raff]

It would have been interesting if someone had interviewed Bill Taylor in depth. But, I guess those stain/finish recipes would have been top secret anyway.
I was just re-reading some old Ashton info recently. I didn't realize he had misplaced his date stamp in 1995, so some pipes for that year don't have date stamps. Occasionally an undated pipe shows up, now I assume those would most likely be from '95.

 

[tarheel7734]

It would have been interesting if someone had interviewed Bill Taylor in depth.  But, I guess those stain/finish recipes would have been top secret anyway.  
I was just re-reading some old Ashton info recently.  I didn't realize he had misplaced his date stamp in 1995, so some pipes for that year don't have date stamps.  Occasionally an undated pipe shows up, now I assume those would most likely be from '95.  

From what i understand he was not very organized. Thats one thing that has improved with Mr Craig.

 

[riff raff]

It would have been interesting if someone had interviewed Bill Taylor in depth.  But, I guess those stain/finish recipes would have been top secret anyway.  
I was just re-reading some old Ashton info recently.  I didn't realize he had misplaced his date stamp in 1995, so some pipes for that year don't have date stamps.  Occasionally an undated pipe shows up, now I assume those would most likely be from '95.  

From what i understand he was not very organized. Thats one thing that has improved with Mr Craig.

I've heard the same .....and his enjoyment for the lunch happy hour.

 

[mustanggt]

I have a 1999 brindle Canadian that has a black stem on it.

 

[tarheel7734]

I have a 1999 brindle Canadian that has a black stem on it.

Would love some pictures of Bills work. I really wish i had not sold my bespoke.

 

[riff raff]

I have a 1999 brindle Canadian that has a black stem on it.

Wow, I'd love to see that! That just goes to show you that anything is possible in the Ashton world and there are no absolutes.

 

[mustanggt]

I'd be happy to when I get home tonight. However since I'm so new there's a probationary period before I can post links and such from outside this forum. I got a message when I tried to post something the other night.

 

[riff raff]

Here's a tidbit from the RD Field Ashton Collection:
http://www.rdfield.com/Ashton/the_ashton_collection.htm

 

[mustanggt]

Here are two of my Ashtons. Canadian is first of course.

 

[mustanggt]

And the last two.

 

[Brewdude]

Very nice indeed mustang!

8)


Cheers,

RR

 

[monbla256]

I LOOOOVE sandblasted pipes and THOSE are some FINE examples !!! :twisted:

 

[SpeedyPete]

First of all, I like your "handle" as I'm a devoted FORD fan

Beautiful pipes with the lavot being my favourite, beautiful blast showing some great grain.