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tarheel7734

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I am wondering what the finish differences are between the Pebble Grain and Ashton Brindle. I know the stain is different but how so?
 
Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).
 
Sasquatch":p7akuyll said:
Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).  
Not true. Some Pebble grain have Cumberland stems and some brindle have other color stems. There is a stain difference. Bill Taylor lost the Brindle stain recipe for 5 years. The stem is not what Differentiates these.
 
Well... okay. You already knew.

It's just that, every picture I can find of an Ashton marked as "Brindle" has a cumberland or similar stem.

As per: http://www.pipes.org/BURST/FORMATTED/187.025.html

"The Pebble Grain is a sandblasted finish that is usually stained
black with deep red highlights, although some are brown stained.
The Brindle finish is a dark brown stained sandblast that is matched
with a brown colored vulcanite mouthpiece."


So I would suggest that a brown stained blast without a brindle stem is in fact not a "Brindle".

If you need a color match, I'd suggest Feibing's "Chocolate"
 
That's a good question, I think more to do with the briar than the stem.

Brindle stamped pipes always have Cumberland stems.

Pebble Grain pipes can have an Ashtonite or Cumberland stem.

I've never encountered a reference as to the finish of the Brindle pipes.  Are they strictly blasted pipe or a Pebble Grain?

Edit: I was thinking about the Pebble Shell, which uses a two step blasting process. I think the reference Sas lists earlier answers the original question.
 
tarheel7734":ngp76j6g said:
Sasquatch":ngp76j6g said:
Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).  
Not true. Some Pebble grain have Cumberland stems and some brindle have other color stems. There is a stain difference. Bill Taylor lost the Brindle stain recipe for 5 years. The stem is not what Differentiates these.
WOW!! You've gained a lot of knowledge in a mere 3 months :cheers:

I've been smoking the pipe for 45 years and I don't know half as much as you do. Well done !!
 
SpeedyPete":ki58q88y said:
tarheel7734":ki58q88y said:
Sasquatch":ki58q88y said:
Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).  
Not true. Some Pebble grain have Cumberland stems and some brindle have other color stems. There is a stain difference. Bill Taylor lost the Brindle stain recipe for 5 years. The stem is not what Differentiates these.
WOW!!  You've gained a lot of knowledge in a mere 3 months :cheers:

I've been smoking the pipe for 45 years and I don't know half as much as you do. Well done !!
I have been smoking a pipe since 1998, just had a break in 2010. I have done q lot of research over the years on Brittish pipe makers, but could not find the stain difference in writing.
 
It would have been interesting if someone had interviewed Bill Taylor in depth. But, I guess those stain/finish recipes would have been top secret anyway.
I was just re-reading some old Ashton info recently. I didn't realize he had misplaced his date stamp in 1995, so some pipes for that year don't have date stamps. Occasionally an undated pipe shows up, now I assume those would most likely be from '95.
 
riff raff":ylqzr0u8 said:
It would have been interesting if someone had interviewed Bill Taylor in depth.  But, I guess those stain/finish recipes would have been top secret anyway.  
I was just re-reading some old Ashton info recently.  I didn't realize he had misplaced his date stamp in 1995, so some pipes for that year don't have date stamps.  Occasionally an undated pipe shows up, now I assume those would most likely be from '95.  
From what i understand he was not very organized. Thats one thing that has improved with Mr Craig.
 
tarheel7734":w85ohgs8 said:
riff raff":w85ohgs8 said:
It would have been interesting if someone had interviewed Bill Taylor in depth.  But, I guess those stain/finish recipes would have been top secret anyway.  
I was just re-reading some old Ashton info recently.  I didn't realize he had misplaced his date stamp in 1995, so some pipes for that year don't have date stamps.  Occasionally an undated pipe shows up, now I assume those would most likely be from '95.  
From what i understand he was not very organized. Thats one thing that has improved with Mr Craig.
I've heard the same .....and his enjoyment for the lunch happy hour.
 
mustanggt":slyatho0 said:
I have a 1999 brindle Canadian that has a black stem on it.
Would love some pictures of Bills work. I really wish i had not sold my bespoke.
 
mustanggt":bcvz21v9 said:
I have a 1999 brindle Canadian that has a black stem on it.
Wow, I'd love to see that! That just goes to show you that anything is possible in the Ashton world and there are no absolutes.
 
I'd be happy to when I get home tonight. However since I'm so new there's a probationary period before I can post links and such from outside this forum. I got a message when I tried to post something the other night.
 
Here's a tidbit from the RD Field Ashton Collection:
http://www.rdfield.com/Ashton/the_ashton_collection.htm
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I LOOOOVE sandblasted pipes and THOSE are some FINE examples !!! :twisted:
 
First of all, I like your "handle" as I'm a devoted FORD fan :D

Beautiful pipes with the lavot being my favourite, beautiful blast showing some great grain.
 
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