Bowl Coating

[the rev]

Todd Johnson, Jeff Gracik, Tyler Lane, trevor Talbert, Alex Florov all do

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[the rev]

I think those are some pretty big names

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[Slide]

I like pipes either way. I have no problem breaking in a pipe without a coating or with.

I don't like stain in the bowl. That's a coating I can live without.

 

[sisyphus]

Rad Davis, Grechukin, Ailarov, Teipen, Maurizio Tombari, and I could go on, as could you. The issue seems as split amongst the guys making them as it is in the pipe forums.

 

[the rev]

sorry, I just thought when you said, "ALL" you meant all

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[sisyphus]

sorry, I just thought when you said, "ALL" you meant all

rev

I pretty much thought that when I typed it, then this conversation made me go look and I saw a few guys who I figured wouldn't have used coatings who did.

 

[Anonymous]

Does a coated bowl improve the taste of a pipe ?

Only if it's made of mis-handled or improperly seasoned briar.

So why do it at all if it doesn't ?

The one reason that survives rational examination is that it provides a thermal cushion that can (but not necessarily will) keep some idiot from smoking it so hot for so long that he burns it out, and then wanting a refund because the briar was "defective" while he goes around badmouthing the maker to anyone who'll listen to him.

Same reason why mass-produced violins have always been made with overly thick tops. Spruce splits easily when subjected to abrupt changes in temperature & humidity. Thick tops make for excruciatingly treble-sounding fiddles, but they cut down on complaints/returns.

When LL was still here, he posted a box of six ultra-high end estates that somebody sent him for re-furbing. The interiors were horribly charred and cracked. Most of them were beyond salvaging. Some clown has spent maybe $2,000 each on them, ruined them, and then dumped them on somebody optomistic enough to assume that the kind of idiots haven't been born yet who would abuse nice pipes like that.

But they have been. And they're out there ! :twisted:

If that's the reason, then fine.

:face:

 

[Kyle Weiss]

Crap, my second viola was a thick-top, and the nasal-like resonance that would come from playing third-position on the C/A strings was enough to make my teeth feel like they were quaking in the bone-sockets. Ugh. I ended up sanding the finish off, spray-painting it and making it an electric viola. Sounded okay, especially when plugged into effects pedals. :twisted:

I dunno, though. Bowl coatings as insurance against burnouts seems to me to be akin to putting a car cover over a porsche parked street-side in a dodgy neighborhood. If something's gonna happen to it, it's going to happen to it. Placement and practice are everything. People do stupid sh*t about every sixth of a second.

8)

 

[the rev]

Not even sure why you have an opinion on this Yak, you don't believe new pipes are worth a damn anyways.

rev

 

[monbla256]

Not even sure why you have an opinion on this Yak, you don't believe new pipes are worth a damn anyways.

rev

DO NOT question Yak! He's the resident expert about ALL aspects of pipes and smoking here . :twisted:

 

[the rev]

Well when it comes to pipes I will trust Todd Johnson, my pipes will never be old enough or cheap enough, or traditional enough for Yak to buy them anyways

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[Anonymous]

50 years ago, when enough of the world I'm familiar with had its head on straight enough to function without "professional intervention," what follows was still true, but not to the extent it is today :

New pipes and new violins make their way, initially, on the impression their looks creates. After the sale though, there's a lot of time and effort that goes into separating the gold from the stones in the pan of use.

Taking up with a woman today, from what I've seen around me, is damned near akin to raising a child. Whether that's worth the effort is a moot point.

Same with pipes.

Same with violins.

The fact remains though that their best years are ahead for some of all three.

None of them are "All that. And a bag of chips. And an 8-ball" right out of the box. Disabusing them of the notion "society' has implanted in them that they are is step one.

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[Anonymous]

DO NOT question Yak! He's the resident expert about ALL aspects of pipes and smoking here :twisted:

Always be ready to speak your mind and a base man will avoid you.

(Songs of Innocence and Experience.)

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[the rev]

I know a lot of people that speak their minds with conviction that are total morons, I hold very little value in speaking your mind on the interwebs. Having a well reasoned and lived out conviction is something else entirely, it is strength. Of course what I consider well reasoned and thought out you may consider idiotic. It may well be. But screaming something loudly with conviction means nothing if its not true. One need only look at our politicians to see this fact.

On this subject it seems there are two camps. I am going to follow my mentors. But I will not force my opinion upon my customers. My only strong objection is the declarative statement that coatings are made to cover up bad briar or flaws. I will accept that it is often done, but not always, and it will not be done in my case

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[Anonymous]

If the boring parts aren't boring, then the exciting parts aren't exciting, because there's nothing they contrast with. Same with silly & serious & the rest of it.

"Controversy" included.

If a group-hug circle jerk is your idea of the right environment, then Smokers Forums is your kind of place. :lol:

But you know this. And you're here. That tells me something.

An occasional spit-ball is a great antidote to an excess of "classroom polite" behavior. 8)

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[the rev]

I don't mind a fight, believe me. What I was simply pointing out is that speaking your mind isn't really a virtue if you are an idiot. The bible says, "better to be silent and thought a fool that to open your mouth and remove all doubt". If you loudly declare idiotic statements you are still an idiot, just more people know it. I also think many stupid men will grab Blake's quote and use it to justify themselves, when the fact is people are avoiding them because of "pearls before swine" rather than fear of their strength.

None of this has to do with you, or this conversation. I just don't like the quote you posted, as I see it as illogical.

rev

 

[Anonymous]

But you know what ?

It works in practice.

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[Kyle Weiss]

Well, it's why I'm here, anyway, other forums are effin' boring. Contrast in all forms makes life...well, more like real life... :lol: I'm with ya, :face: .

Meanwhile, Rev, follow your mentors, and of course, abide by customer request: you found the right formula already.

BoB is less "Internet" than the rest of the Internets. Probably why we have the crew we do.

8)

 

[alfredo_buscatti]

My experience is bare briar breaks in just fine. I don't know why it should be messed with. As there is no clear indication that the coating is needed, I would think that the best course would be to do nothing. The coating is an extra step.

 

[the rev]

and that is a very valid opinion not shared by many

rev