Yes but, theirs are done on purpose and mine are just fricken brain farts.Richard Burley":x5db9cqs said:I see your point, Ron, but Italian makers, for one, do this all the time. Ever look at Castello shapes, for example? Love how they can "ruin" a classic shape. It's like they don't give a damn, and neither do their buyers, apparently. How about the old Charatans? Wish I still had an old bent pear I could show you. Looked like a spastic with astigmatism shaped it. Even the bit, as I remember, was a warped oddity. In any event, can't wait for number 20, or even 11.