Pipe shapes and a full bend.

[riff raff]

Great info and insights Vito. Those Acme pipes are amazing, here's a dog of a different stripe:

 

[sisyphus]

the deepest bend I've ever seen on a bulldog is 3/4, and I've only seen one of those

 

[riff raff]

That Rinaldo is lovely.

 

[Vito]

If I had to come up with a precise descriptor for the Rinaldo Sahara sisyphus kindly posted, I guess I'd call it a 5/8 bent Squat Bulldog Sandblast. SmoPi calls it a "Bent Bulldog", which illustrates the point that pipemakers/vendors today have blurred the lines of nomenclature to the point wherein there's little consistency any more.

The degree of benditude is another casualty of imprecision in nomenclature. In olden tymes, it was common to specify the "bentness" in fractions: 1/8 bent, 1/4 bent, 1/2 bent, 3/4 bent, full bent. As LIPIPE noted earlier in this thread, "full bent" is typically reserved for the most deeply bent pipes, such as Oom Pauls and Hungarians.

Caminetto Business (Ascorti-Radice) Oom Paul

Lorenzo Moderna Hungarian​

There are others that I would say qualify as "full bent" for all practical purposes. One of my favorite shapes is the "Bent Tomato", which is sometimes called "Bent Apple" or simply "Bent Ball":

Viprati 4Q Bent Tomato

Castello Sea Rock Natural Vergin Bent Globular Kinda Thang

Peterson Kinsale XL23
(Same shape as Sherlock Holmes Lestrade)​

Strictly speaking, none of the pipes depicted above are "full bent", as their shanks/stems are not vertical. For many years it has not been uncommon to see what used to pass as a 3/4 or 7/8 bent called a "full bent". But there again, it's a vexatious subject. If you're going to insist on semantic precision in nomenclature, you'll probably end up being most effective at frustrating yourself, and convincing few others.

Anyhow, that Rinaldo Sahara is a gorgeous pipe. Great blast, and I love the bend. Of course, I would say that; I'm partial to bent pipes, and the benter the better, principally because I smoke hands-free while I'm working.

 

[Kyle Weiss]

...pipemakers/vendors today have blurred the lines of nomenclature to the point wherein there's little consistency any more.

...and posts on BoB... :lol:

8)

 

[Sasquatch]

"Full Bent" - right at 90 degrees, is very, very rare.

 

[Vito]

"Full Bent" - right at 90 degrees, is very, very rare.

Agreed...which is why I think it's kind of silly to insist that "technically" a full bent pipe must have a vertical stem. I certainly don't insist on it.

Of course, you can find it in specialty pipes. Dunhill's "Cavalier" comes to mind, but that's cheating. Some of the old Tyrolean pipes also have vertical stems. But in carved briars, pipes like those depicted below are about as close as you can get to a fully vertical stem...and they're still not very common.

 

[monbla256]

Now days much of the "traditional" shape descriptions have been thrown out the window so to speak. As I learned ( back in the prehistoric, pre-'net days) about pipe shapes that most "bent" shapes were restricted to mostly billiards, apples pots and a few others. These were what were found in full bent form with the Bulldogs and Rhodesians refered to as 1/8th or 1/4 bent. The Oom Pauls (or Hungarian as some refered to it) were considered as very full bent.
here's what we used to consider a typical "bent" example:

(my Peterson Rosslare '02, Apple shaped bowl)

here's what we considered an 1/8 or 1/4 bent :

(My Peterson Rosslare 999 Rhodesian , note ROUND shank/stem)

(My Peretii Bent Buldog, note DIAMOND shaped shank/bit)

This is is how I learned it, but as I said , that was BEFORE we were enlightened by the 'net :twisted:

 

[Vito]

...The Oom Pauls (or Hungarian as some refered to it) were considered as very full bent.

Right, both are what I would call full bent pipes.

Despite the continuing confusion between the Oom Paul and Hungarian nomenclatures, they are two very distinct shapes. The Oom Paul has a cylindrical bowl, and the Hungarian bowl is egg-shaped. At least, that's the way I learned it. But nowadaze, it's common to see "Hungarian" and "Oom Paul" used interchangeably, and both are applied to the Oom Paul shape. Meanwhile, the true Hungarian shape is apparently becoming an endangered species.

The genesis of the confusion between Oom Paul and Hungarian shapes isn't clear, but reportedly, it was instigated by Dunhill. As the story goes, being "good Englishmen", they weren't about to concede anything to "Uncle" Paul (Oom Paul) Kruger, who had been Britain's principal antagonist in the Boer Wars, after whom the cylindrical Oom Paul shape was named. Hence, Dunhill ascribed the moniker "Hungarian" to both shapes so as not to provide any politically incorrect recognition of Mr. Kruger.

That confusion of nomenclature remains firmly entrenched to this day. Dunhill still sells both shapes under the name "Hungarian", and to add to the confusion, still stamps the same shape number on the shank. Both of the following pipes are stamped "5226".

Dunhill 5226 Hungarian

Dunhill 5226 "Hungarian"
(...but it's really an Oom Paul)
​

Both are Group 5, both have stem number 2 (saddle bit), and both bear shape number 26 ("Hungarian").

Nonsense. If they're the same shape, I'll eat Kyle's hat.

 

[Puff Daddy]

Careful Vito, you don't know where that hat's been :lol:

 

[Vito]

Careful Vito, you don't know where that hat's been :lol:

Good point, PD. :lol:

OK, then...I'll eat your hat.

(...er, you don't wear one, right? :mrgreen: )

 

[Puff Daddy]

:lol: No, you're safe with me, no hats :lol:

 

[Vito]

:lol: No, you're safe with me, no hats :lol:

OK, cool. 8)

By the way, I love your seasonally correct avatar...

Were you the chef on that one?

 

[riff raff]

...The Oom Pauls (or Hungarian as some refered to it) were considered as very full bent.

Right, both are what I would call full bent pipes.

Despite the continuing confusion between the Oom Paul and Hungarian nomenclatures, they are two very distinct shapes. The Oom Paul has a cylindrical bowl, and the Hungarian bowl is egg-shaped. At least, that's the way I learned it. But nowadaze, it's common to see "Hungarian" and "Oom Paul" used interchangeably, and both are applied to the Oom Paul shape. Meanwhile, the true Hungarian shape is apparently becoming an endangered species.

The genesis of the confusion between Oom Paul and Hungarian shapes isn't clear, but reportedly, it was instigated by Dunhill. As the story goes, being "good Englishmen", they weren't about to concede anything to "Uncle" Paul (Oom Paul) Kruger, who had been Britain's principal antagonist in the Boer Wars, after whom the cylindrical Oom Paul shape was named. Hence, Dunhill ascribed the moniker "Hungarian" to both shapes so as not to provide any politically incorrect recognition of Mr. Kruger.

That confusion of nomenclature remains firmly entrenched to this day. Dunhill still sells both shapes under the name "Hungarian", and to add to the confusion, still stamps the same shape number on the shank. Both of the following pipes are stamped "5226".

Dunhill 5226 Hungarian

Dunhill 5226 "Hungarian"
(...but it's really an Oom Paul)
​

Both are Group 5, both have stem number 2 (saddle bit), and both bear shape number 26 ("Hungarian").

Nonsense. If they're the same shape, I'll eat Kyle's hat.

Interesting that you should point this out, a buddy on another forum just bought a 5226 and he also has now one of each shape!

Here is his new 5226:

And his older, egg shaped 5226, this one has "HU" stamped on it.

Fantastic shape insights Vito, I really appreciate your sharing this knowledge, fascinating stuff!

 

[Puff Daddy]

By the way, I love your seasonally correct avatar. Were you the chef on that one?

Nah, found that pic on the web. Wanted one that best suited my personality :lol:

As of tomorrow, it'll be turkey avatars :shock: