Pistols.

[Mikem]

That's too bad because I'm willing to bet the bad guys have guns there... Here theyve armed the good guys.

And still we've way less gun related crime! So what's the use of having firearms? Does the good guys possessing guns stop the criminals? Don't think so.

You might have a tough time trying to sell that to a couple here in Arizona. Two days ago two thugs "with guns" invaded a house. Busted open the front door with guns drawn and threating to kill. The good news was that it just happened that both the husband and wife owned guns and dropped the thugs in the living room. One dead, one wounded. Better them then the home owners IMHO. More times than not the good guys possessing firearms "do" stop the criminals. Look at the statistics in Australia when they confiscated and destroyed law abiding citizens of their guns. The so call criminals that you speak of kept theirs. Violent gun related crime is up something like 20%. I am a firm believer that if "someone" does not want to possess or is uncomfortable around firearms then by all means do not own one. But I have a tough time when these type of people think that I shouldn't own a firearm.

 

[Mikem]

Oh, I forgot the original question. Three favorite pistols; Springfield XD (in either 40 or 45acp). All of mine are extremely accurate. The funny thing is the best of the lot is my short barreled conceal carry version in 40 caliber. The next would be my S&W model 25 revolver in 45 long Colt. The last would be either one of my S&W Model 3 Schofield's (Uberti or Beretta, the Uberti being the higher quality IMHO even though Beretta now owns Uberti) in 45 long Colt.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, those of you that know me personally know that I am as peaceful as a Teddy Bear, but if you're dumb enough to break into my home or want to do me or my friends bodily harm, then you have the right to have me provide you with a third ******* (I've been taught you pull the trigger twice).

I've seen alot of people hurt because they couldn't shoot back. Keep your hate crime, keep your hatred; I'll keep my guns. Here we have a saying: 12 jurors is better than 6 pallbearers.

God Bless America!!!
Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition.

My name is Texxas, and I approve of this message. How's that for change?

 

[kilted1]

That's too bad because I'm willing to bet the bad guys have guns there... Here theyve armed the good guys.

And still we've way less gun related crime! So what's the use of having firearms? Does the good guys posessing guns stop the criminals? Don't think so.

Maybe you are unaware of our US Constitution:

U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment
Second Amendment - Bearing Arms
Amendment Text

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

***********************************************************

Part of the reason for owning guns is to protect us FROM our government should it become a tyranny!

For some background on the legislation and history surrounding this article I direct your attention here:

Second Amendment to the United States Constitution

 

[Anonymous]

That's too bad because I'm willing to bet the bad guys have guns there... Here theyve armed the good guys.

And still we've way less gun related crime! So what's the use of having firearms? Does the good guys posessing guns stop the criminals? Don't think so.

Well, buddy, not sure you can understand this, but here in America we have something called civic duty. So yes, licensed individuals here do stop criminals. In fact, if I see a law enforcement officer in need of assistance I am obligated as a license holder to render aid.

Actually as a certified first aid and cpr trainee, good sumaritan laws in many states require me to render aid if I see someone in danger. So, no, I can't smoke my pipe while someone dies.

 

[JohnnyO]

these are what I own and are thus my favorites lol

S&W M&P Compact .40SW

Ruger P97DC .45ACP

High Point Compact 9mm...bought it, brand new, $99! It actually shoots pretty good, haven't had many problems, the grip feels nice in the hand though I did put a hogue rubber grip over it

 

[Al in Canada]

How do people in Beligium protect their wifes n daughters from getting raped?

Or their house from getting robbed?

Or themselves from being strongarmed by a group of thugs?

We're not allowed to have guns. The result of this policy is that we have a lot less murders, violent robberies and gun related violence.
Not bad, isn't it? You should try it.
:idea:

That's too bad because I'm willing to bet the bad guys have guns there... Here theyve armed the good guys.

When I moved to Canada from the US it was in the middle of winter, and it wasn't until Spring that I was sure that the police were carrying weapons. That was in 1968 and in the the intervening 40 years I have seen police with their guns drawn a total of four occasions.

In 2007 (latest statistics I could find) Toronto [2 1/2 million pop.] had 84 homicides. Personally I think this is because with the limited number of firearms available if you want to kill your borther in law for taking the last Thanksgiving turkey leg you have to get within arms reach, you can't just go get your gun and blast away from the doorway.

While some of our legal restrictions have been misguided, like the ill conceived gun registry and the lack of understanding of the rifle and shotgun as tools in rural areas by urban politicians and citizens alike, most Canadians support the idea of restricted gun ownersihip. Gun owners here are required to keep their guns safely, ie. locked and with ammo stored seperately.

End result in Canada, citizens generally don't expect to get shot at by the police, police don't approach citizens with their guns out and expecting to use them. And if you see someone with a gun who isn't a cop, a sldier, or in a hunting sityation, you can assume he's a "bad guy".

Under the law here, committing a crime with the threat of a gun or other weapon is punishable almost as strongly as doing so with a gun. Hand the bank teller you have a gun in your pocket and its only your finger, "KACHING!", armed robbery.

Do we have rapes and burgularies, sure. Do we have more, I don't think so.

It seems to work, so don't knock it.

 

[claessenpipes]

Here are the 2008 Homicide rates per 100,000:

Brussels, Belgium: 10
New York, United States: 6 !!!!!!!!

I think the facts speak for themselves. It's real easy to assume that the United States is a "violent" place. The facts state otherwise. The population of New York State is:19,254,630 vs. Brussels, Belgium: 2,700,000.

You're focusing on one city in particular now, Texas Outlaw. If you look up crime statistics for the entire country you get a whole different picture.
By the way, I believe that in New York you're not allowed either to run around carrying guns.

I'm really surprised by the aggressivity of some of you guys. I thought that pipesmokers were a more peaceful bunch and I was wondering if a pipesmokers forum is the right place for a gun related topic. It was not my intention to mock the gun possessing crowd. We Europeans are always a bit baffled about all the guns in your country. Most of us go through life without ever seeing a hand gun from up close. In the 80's I did my military service where I practised with different kind of hand guns and machine guns, even a M 50 and a LAW (kind of a bazooka). It was always great fun. I don't hate guns as such but I wouldn't like the idea that every guy you cross on the street could be "packing".


ipe:

 

[JohnnyO]

Here are the 2008 Homicide rates per 100,000:

Brussels, Belgium: 10
New York, United States: 6 !!!!!!!!

I think the facts speak for themselves. It's real easy to assume that the United States is a "violent" place. The facts state otherwise. The population of New York State is:19,254,630 vs. Brussels, Belgium: 2,700,000.

You're focusing on one city in particular now, Texas Outlaw. If you look up crime statistics for the entire country you get a whole different picture.
By the way, I believe that in New York you're not allowed either to run around carrying guns.

ipe:

True, but I doubt you have the street gangs that our cities have...we have several major cities with large gangs...it doesn't matter how much we outlaw guns, I guarantee you these gangs will always have guns...Automatic weapons are illegal here in California but guess what sucka, all of these gang members have guns...This adds on to our US statistics, as does violence spilling over from mexico. Did you know a city in the US is the #1 city for kidnapping outside of mexico city? and why is this? Cause of the mexican drug cartels...
it's not just rednecks shooting each other over the last turkey leg :roll:

 

[puros_bran]

Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.

 

[claessenpipes]

Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.

Well, the one that fits the shoe ...

Once again, what is a topic about guns doing on a pipesmoking forum.

 

[Carlos]

Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.

Well, the one that fits the shoe ...

Once again, what is a topic about guns doing on a pipesmoking forum.

You are in The Roundtable
"A Place To Discuss Anything You Wish As Long As It's Respectful Of Others"

Forums have sub-forums. The Roundtable allows this discussion.

 

[Al in Canada]

Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.

Hey go back and re-read my post.

I am not anti-gun. I was noting a difference in national attitudes and effects on the societies.

In my hometown of Lexington, Kentucky the cops had their guns out everytime they went to an alarm call at a liquor store, a bank, etc. I have had to stare down the barrel of a gun when a cop pulled me over becuse I was driving a car he said answered the description of one involved in a robbery (that calls for a change of clothing in short order).

I worked as a bartender for a while when I was a student at UK, and the bar was being "leaned on" by a couple of hoods. The owner was up front about it, and we were provided with a gun if we wanted (gun laws in Ky in the 1960's were quite "liberal"). I "carried" for about 2 weeks, and found it colored my whole thinking about the world, you kept looking for "dangers" and threats. Now maybe that is only reasonable, or maybe it would have changed if it had gone on longer, but it is a frame of mind I would not seek out. Give you the same stress that soldiers get in combat, always looking for the next threat and is that kid with bicycle got a bomb in the basket?!

Historically I think the difference in Canada and the US stems from the fact that in Canada the government generally preceeded the settlers into terriotory, and therefore, unlike the US, the settlers did not have to depend upon only themselves to provide "justice" in personal conflicts. In the US the settlers far out paced the reach of government and "good order", and among one of the earmarks of whether a settlement was "civilized" was whether they had set up a governing body and a form of law enforcement. And historically the Canadians veiwed their government with less suspicion than did the Americans.

We have gang violence here too. It is mainly a city thing, but the reason that Toronto has the high homocide rate is mainly due to gang activities. The homocide rate hovered around 50 forever, then with the influx of "refugees" from some very violent areas of the world, with some very lax filtering of these refugees, we have some real gang problems. And then there are the bikers...

What is extremely rare here is the news story headed "Eight Year Old shoots Younger Brother in Tragic Accident". With the stringent requirements for gun storeage and safety the 8 year old doesn't get a chance to make this mistake.

As to why there is a thread about guns, why not? Just because we smoke pipes doesn't mean that we don't have other interests. Do we object to a thread about what books we are reading? I think not. Although all I own is a pump action .22 rifle for varmints in the chicken house, that doesn't preclude my interest in weapons. I only wish that I had had the foresight to have bought some of the weapons I had access to when I was a teenager. Army and Navy Colts, a really nice burled wood Ky. Long Rifle (be quiet you Pennsylvanians, i know who made them, and i know who made them famous LOL). I wish I still had the lever action marlin 40-40 short barrel rifle (barrel for the saddle holster), it was a nice gun.

If I had my druthers I would kind of like to have a short gun around, something with stopping power, like an Army 1911 .45. Although I am sure there are newer weapons that are probably better, it has a nice historical cache.

Al (in Canada)
The thing about handguns is that when you need one, you really really need one.
:twisted:

 

[Justpipes]

Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.

Well, the one that fits the shoe ...

Once again, what is a topic about guns doing on a pipesmoking forum.

Oh my goodness, the forum police have arrived! :x

 

[puros_bran]

Shut up bossing me around Al... Your an anti-gunner, I don't have to listen to anti-gunners... they don't scare me.. I know they are unarmed



On a serious note, Thankfully Gun laws are still very 'Liberal' in the Commonwealth... Over 21 and not a felon? You can carry openly... Over 21 and have a CCP you can carry concealed.

 

[Anonymous]

Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.

Well, the one that fits the shoe ...

Once again, what is a topic about guns doing on a pipesmoking forum.

You are in The Roundtable
"A Place To Discuss Anything You Wish As Long As It's Respectful Of Others"

Forums have sub-forums. The Roundtable allows this discussion.

Don't confuse him, Carlos. The better question is why you participated in this thread if you have no interest other than to give us your one-sided views. You ask why I focus on one city, well why concentrate on the parts with no violence. I still don't see how this justifies the hate crimes, but I guess as long as you keep it isolated to one city, it's okay, huh?

Back on point, we have common interests other than pipes. Despite your imaginary views of our aggression, the only time we would unholster our weapons is to show it to a brother with an interest in firearms.

Again, I'm way more aggressive without my guns, unless you're thinking bout my biceps.

 

[Anonymous]

There are two types of people in the world: sheep and wolves.

Me, well I'm the sheep dog.

Put that in your pipes and smoke it.

 

[kilted1]

Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.

Well, the one that fits the shoe ...

Once again, what is a topic about guns doing on a pipesmoking forum.

You really just don't get it do you? No wonder we left Europe, my God just imagine if we were sitting enjoying a pipe among friends at the local tobacconists and someone brought up the subject of 'guns' or 'hunting', you'd have them thrown out on their ASS. "We'll have no discussions of guns here, this is a tobacconists. Thou shalt ONLY talk about matters pertaining to tobacco and pipes"

And to go on insisting that "We have no business discussing guns" (or presumably anything else we enjoy) on OUR forum, over and over again ... What a fruitcake 8)

And we thought Yankees were rude ...

 

[mark]

pipes are bad,,,,they cause you undue stress when you can't afford to purchase the latest model,,,they eat up your bankroll,,,every nickel goes to buy noxious weed to poison the healthy world,,,,fights break out at pipe shows all over the country over who saw the latest and best pipe first and has dibs on it,,,,acrylic lip syndrome is rampant,,,,butane and lighter fluid is becoming scarce,,,,the worlds aluminum is being wasted producing pipe nails,,,,sandwich bags and mason jars are soon to be a black market item,,,corn cob pipes cause the ag stock to fluctuate wildly causing panic on wall street,,,,the countrys forrests are being raped to provide pulp used in pipe and tobacco catalogs,,,marriages have broken up due to mortgage payments wasted on meerschaums,,,PIPES ARE BAD,,,

GUNS ARE BAD,,,cause where some people live they can't have them,,,,,and if they can't have them then neither should you,,,

 

[TallSmoke]

GUNS ARE BAD,,,cause where some people live they can't have them,,,,,and if they can't have them then neither should you,,,

That is an odd thought. There are people out there who do not have the right to own a firearm. Strange to think about it.