Re: The differences in smoking of Pipe brands

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Hey so is craftsmanship just a random application of tools as you see fit Rad? Or do you do specific things like countersinking the end of the tenon? You do that just because someone told you to? Or you do it because it makes for less gurgle?

You know something about fluid dynamics - you know how to make a pipe smoke good, and whether it's an idiot-savant approach, a formally schooled theoretical approach, or just a "this seems to work" approach, calling it "craftsmanship" avoids the fact that the craftsman must have intimate working knowledge of functional pipery. I agree with you that it's part of the pipe making craft - but to merely call it "craftsmanship" ignores the physical principles which make it work.

I suppose an artisan could be told by a master "Here is what you must do." and never question it, never figure out why one must do it (or indeed IF one must do it). Again, I don't believe for one second that you see this as cut and dried, simplistic "pipebuildingknowledgeship" (to coin a German word in English). You just cut your slot the way you do because someone told you that's right? Tool it how you tool it because it looks "nice"? Horseshit. You do it all to tight tolerances of comfort and airflow, because it works.

Under the banner of "craftsmanship" you could make your pipes any number of ways, each one different - you're the craftsman after all! And yet I suspect you'll admit to a more uniform approach. What drives that?
 
Well that is one person's opinion. I have mine, and you have yours., A high grade pipe will usually get you better construction, ie engineering, and a better quality briar. Your chances are just better of getting a good smoker. Everyone has the exceptional KW or whatever that was made when the stars were aligned just right, ie good briar, and a tech who felt like getting it right.



 
So in fact, when I open up the draft hole in a pipe, I'm disturbing the engineering of the pipe?!!

It's like when I rebored my Ford Anglia 105E's motor from 997cc to 1100cc and fitted a highlift cam !! It was more powerfull but the engine was a bit ruff afterwards. This did not concern me though because I wanted more power, not a smooth engine!!!

So when I open up the draft hole of a pipe, it's not "well engineerd" anymore but it smokes the way I want it to. 8)

 
What's also amazing to me is that some pipes can be smoked for a week with just cleaning with a 'cleaner. The pipe never "moans". Other pipes don't want to be smoked for more than a day and then it needs a good rest. What I mean by this is that one pipe delivers all the way whilst another becomes harsh after smoking it to much.

I know this is not "engineering" but the briar which speaks out.

Any of our brothers had similar experiences?
 
There's nothing wrong with "re-engineering" a pipe - make it operate the way you like, but it goes to show that the physical aspects of the construction play a significant role, no?

I cut my airways larger than Rad because that's how I like them. The number of votes Rad got on a recent "bestest pipe in my collection" thread elsewhere indicates to me that Rad isn't doing it wrong. In fact quite the opposite.

I'm not here to tell anyone how to build a pipe - I'm here to say that how you build it will affect how it smokes.

And for the record I don't believe there are any magical kaywoodies. Not till you cut the stinger off. It's the "plug" that releases the magic! :cheers:
 
Sasquatch":68kbypbi said:
Hey so is craftsmanship just a random application of tools as you see fit Rad? Or do you do specific things like countersinking the end of the tenon? You do that just because someone told you to? Or you do it because it makes for less gurgle?

You know something about fluid dynamics - you know how to make a pipe smoke good, and whether it's an idiot-savant approach, a formally schooled theoretical approach, or just a "this seems to work" approach, calling it "craftsmanship" avoids the fact that the craftsman must have intimate working knowledge of functional pipery. I agree with you that it's part of the pipe making craft - but to merely call it "craftsmanship" ignores the physical principles which make it work.

I suppose an artisan could be told by a master "Here is what you must do." and never question it, never figure out why one must do it (or indeed IF one must do it). Again, I don't believe for one second that you see this as cut and dried, simplistic "pipebuildingknowledgeship" (to coin a German word in English). You just cut your slot the way you do because someone told you that's right? Tool it how you tool it because it looks "nice"? Horseshit. You do it all to tight tolerances of comfort and airflow, because it works.

Under the banner of "craftsmanship" you could make your pipes any number of ways, each one different - you're the craftsman after all! And yet I suspect you'll admit to a more uniform approach. What drives that?
OK, OK! It's engineering. :lol:

Rad
 
Chalk up another great semantic victory!



"R. Davis Admits to Engineering Own Pipes for Competitive Advantage"

 
No topic is ever "exhausted."

You just need the right people to show up.

:face:
 
Gentlemen, pipe engineering doesn't have to be all that complicated.....


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SpeedyPete":kcs8qae8 said:
Dutch":kcs8qae8 said:
Gentlemen, pipe engineering doesn't have to be all that complicated.....


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Where did you find that Kaywoodie White Briar, sir?
I just Googled it! :lol:
 
Sasquatch":dwzw3e1j said:
Chalk up another great semantic victory!



"R. Davis Admits to Engineering Own Pipes for Competitive Advantage"
You took my statement completely out of context!

Rad
 
Oh, backpeddle all you like! But I'm watching you now, Davis, I know your game.
 
I'm going to do some mountain bike racing today. So I've engineered my toenails a bit shorter to prevent damage to my socks.
 
And if you filed them nice and round... that's real old fashioned toenail craftsmanship.
 
Sasquatch":igyc8enm said:
And if you filed them nice and round... that's real old fashioned toenail craftsmanship.
Nah, just cut them square 'cause I was in a hurry. NIce open draw between the toes though.

I enjoyed a good ride up to the halfway mark, then started craving for my cob and BR Gold which was in my car. So I put foot a bit, only to crash down in a most spectacular way. I'm sitting here, full of aches and pains with no one who would listen to my crying.

But, I've got 54 pipes and LOTS of tobacco. What more can I want??
 
It's only engineering if you have to build some kind of contraption that helps you reach your toenails and see them well enough that trimming is limited to the nail proper, not the toes. I suppose the skill dispalyed in the trimming could be considered craftsmanship.
 
KevinM":6jovur3k said:
I suppose the skill dispalyed in the trimming could be considered craftsmanship.
No, No. It's engineering. I'm convinced of that now.

Rad
 
You know.... I'm beginning to start to think that I might possibly be detecting a little sarcasm here.


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Sasquatch":dbk42x0j said:
You know.... I'm beginning to start to think that I might possibly be detecting a little sarcasm here.


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Not from my side, no sir! :no:

I love to joke when things start getting a bit tight. :D :) 8) :lol: :bounce: :cheers:
 

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